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Post by horseguy on Jun 21, 2017 13:21:47 GMT
Disrespect appears to be the overall issue. I see two sides being disrespectful to the other. Horseguy- I understand your point that dressage riders should be able to work and train with distractions. However, this appears to be an event and they are "taking their test". So it appears that you are being disrespectful to the event if you were a "distraction". My rider was in the ring- Calling someone a "flaming idiot" on their post is obviously disrespectful as well. I can see some of the members of this organization felt disrespected that you aired this issue publicly and naming the organization in your post. Respectful horsemanship seems to be lost here. If an organization requires the elimination of distractions, then they should rent the entire facility for their events. To rent one arena and then feel entitled to shut down surrounding riding areas reveals a mindset of entitlement. In what is this entitlement based? What is it that these IEO people feel about how they act that deserves respect? We read above that they are a "...wonderful organization supporting young riders..." etc. Can they possibly see how they are contributing not only to the decline of riding standards by placing young riders in a "bubble wrapped" riding environment but contributing to more decline by supporting this whinny superiority we see in the guest posts supporting the IEO? No one likes to believe they are a part of decay, but that is what you are if you subscribe to this mindset. I am "blatant" in my approach to what is now called horsemanship. I don't respect nonsense or suffer fools. You are wasting your time trying to convince me because you cannot erase my memories of the horsemen I admired growing up. I don't pretend to be at their level in any way. I am just a guy who has ridden a whole lot of horses for over six decades. If you want to post here about horses, be my guest. If you cannot think of a topic, here is a suggestion: Why did the accepted dressage upper body position change from the rider being vertical to being permitted to be 5 degrees behind vertical? It is in these points we discover exactly how the decline of horsemanship has been accomplished. If you have the interest and discipline to explore these "innovations" in riding, and there are many, you might learn something about respect and riding. Otherwise, like I said, I was minding my own business on a hot day and your IEO was an irritating disruption to my work. I got "blatant" (my new favorite self descriptive word) about it and the rest is what we see here from the IEO.
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Post by horseguy on Jun 21, 2017 13:40:22 GMT
FYI, I just checked the analytics. As I said this forum typically gets between 100 and 200 page views a day. Occasionally it gets "hot" with over 500. I think the record is around 1,000. This IEO thing has us over 500.
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Post by horseguy on Jun 23, 2017 18:37:30 GMT
The IEO dressage post drove our forum clicks up by four times. Now the supporters of that group have stopped posting but the clicks remain at twice the pre kerfuffle level. Giving the people who appeare to remain and lurk the benefit of the doubt, they may have found that this is a serious horsemanship discussion, albeit run by a "complete idiot". While I have spent my career "blatantly" offending Hunter/Jumpers and dressage riders and trainers, I have done so with purpose. That purpose is to counter trends that lower standards of horsemanship. The fact that many American fox hunts now hire Irish Staff to run their packs reflects the desperate reality that US hunt clubs increasingly cannot produce riders skillful enough to assume the roles of Huntsman and Whippers-In. Also, since the transformation of American equestrianism from a community of riders and horse owners into a commercial industry, we have seen the formation of the US Equestrian Federation that sadly functions more as a lobbyist than a keeper of standards. That has been a disappointment. Oure US Eventing Team (bolstered by two Australian expats) has steadily sunk in the Olympic results under USEF direction. We are now regularly beaten by countries with fewer riders and horses than some American States contain. These are difficult to deny examples of our decline in horsemanship and there are more examples. By now this declining trend is so well established that it will be difficult to reverse without substantial effort and creative solutions. But as with any problem, it cannot be addressed until it is identified and acknowledged. That is why I complained to the IEO directly and here. Did I think I would receive IEO thanks for my insight, not at all. Did I expect the resulting derision and invalidation, of course. In fact, I welcomed it because it was at least an exchange. Typically, contemporary riders do not and will not address their standards when questioned. Here the USEF is to blame. With something like 45 disciplines and breed organizations making up the Federation, they function more in the role of cat herder and supporter of show, breed and equipment commerce that now drives the industry than a driver of elevated standards. The best chance for improvement may well be in these smaller organizations like the IEO. But first they must wake up from their delusion that all they do is good. What would improvement look like? I for one would like to see a return to breed diversity. I noticed some of that in the IEO ring. We see pictures of Jimmy's dressage quarter horse (pictured on the decline of Dressage topic) here presenting the correct relaxation and carriage often missing in Warmbloods drilled in vertical headset rather than flexibility, balance and self carriage. Perhaps the IEO would hire Jimmy to do a Vaquero horsemanship clinic. I'd certainly pay to learn more from him about this very different and effective tradition. Other out of the box ideas to expand the range of dressage support might include an affiliation with the Retired Racehorse Project www.retiredracehorseproject.org . Or the IEO could borrow a page from horseracing and offer claimer classes in their event lineups. Claimer classes are used in both horse and auto racing. It is a useful format for trainers (or car builders) to showcase their projects in development and to offer them for sale at a meet. It has the added benefit of leveling competition due to its ceiling price structure. If a trainer enters a $2,500, or $5,000, or $7,500 claimer class, anyone there has the right and ability to claim any horse in the class for the designated value of that class. This prevents circumstances where a high dollar horse can easily sweep a competition class. It also helps introduce more promising prospects into the pipeline of the discipline. It will require both new ideas and openness from existing organizations to reverse the distressing trends of our decline in horsemanship. I am probably not the person to directly assist in these efforts in the same way an Artic ice breaking ship is not employed as a cruise ship. But there are many congenial experts based in very effective traditional disciplines who would welcome and support the elevation of our riding and training standards if asked. But first, organizations like the IEO need to admit they require help escaping their comfortable mindset of superiority. Good intentions are not and will not be sufficient to chart a course back to the high standard US riders of all levels enjoyed a short 50 years ago. When young American riders return to work in prestigious hunt packs like the Cheshire Hounds, and an all US born National Eventing Team returns to the top three in the Olympics, these will be real indications of success. I have done what I could in this regard for the past 50 years. Yes, I have offended some, but also trained some, hopefully to act as heirloom seeds for a better future. Good luck, you know who you are.
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Post by horseguy on Jun 25, 2017 12:21:01 GMT
They're gone. Forum traffic is back to normal. It was interesting that once the discussion turned toward actual horsemanship the traffic increase slowed and now has ended. Says a lot. We did get to see Jimmy's horse in a very soft self carriage. The Vaquero process is very interesting to me. I especially think a lot about how the bit is weighted and balanced to cause the horse to respond to it's weigh and balance in a way that creates a truly soft carriage so plain to see in the neck. The bend in Jimmy's horse's neck from the poll to the pommel is impressive. My great old horse Riley would soften like that when he was tired. I could be out riding him hard for hours sprinting gathering up stray hounds, extending in striding leaps across wide erosion ditches and eventually we'd come to a break in our work on a logging road through the woods, just trotting staying in position. It was then he'd round up like Jimmy's horse and make me laugh. Sometimes I say to him, "Why the he** won't you do that in a dressage test?" He was never one for any kind of arena.
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