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Post by horseguy on May 25, 2016 22:58:34 GMT
Note: I edited the post to reflect that the draft type horses used were from Albuquerque, New Mexico, not CACavalry horses came in two types, light and heavy. Heavy cavalry broke through enemy lines, crushed infantry and were basically tanks. These were the draft crosses that have come to us today as Warmbloods. Light cavalry was use for raiding, reconnaissance and close quarters engagements. The Sioux were called the best light cavalry the world has ever seen by a British military observer, and the Sioux preferred smaller handy mounts as did Genghis Khan and British light cavalry.
Common sense would tell you that urban city mounted police work would be light cavalry, yet these pictures show the city of Albuquerque, New Mexico, where Mexican flags flew on the other side of police barriers and a confrontation ensued, has chosen heavy cavalry types. The result of their poor choice is demonstrated in the picture.
To me it's just one more example of pretending with horses. I rode with a Philadelphia Police Dept. mounted unit instructor many years ago, before mounted police went to the drafts and when they actually trained the mounted units to use a horse, not just make them into clunky obstacles. Today police horses are used as props, big intimidating horses for crowd control that fall down. I'd want to be on a polo horse if I were a mounted policeman. If a protester got past the police line, I'd run him down and give him a lateral "bump". It wouldn't take many of those kinds of moves (and it would be great fun) before the protesters decided not to cross the line. But watching a big lug of a draft stumble only encourages them. Like they say, never take a knife to a gun fight, and never use a heavy cavalry horse for light cavalry duty.
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Post by horseguy on May 26, 2016 0:08:58 GMT
I just saw the evening news. Anaheim CA mounted police dealt with protesters using light cavalry type horses. Much more effective. Note eye protections for horses in photo above. Someone is thinking, not pretending and using horses effectively.
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Post by rideanotherday on May 26, 2016 11:15:25 GMT
Even a light calvary horse can lose it's feet. I suspect that it had to do with rider error - there was a large crowd and lots happening. Pretty easy for the rider to not be focused on keeping his horse out of trouble.
Using draft types for crowd control is not a bad plan, since pushing people around is something they will excel at and their size is intimidating. Many inner city folks have never been up close and personal with a horse which also adds to the intimidation factor. Horses are not police cars and the terrain (asphalt) is absolutely not safe for a horse to be running on and being asked to "bump" people. I would imagine that it would be pretty easy for even a light horse to slide and lose it's feet at speed on concrete.
I did see an article highlighting a woman being charged for allegedly slapping one of the horses.
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Draft breeds are often selected for their size in combination with calm, tractable temperaments. Police officers don't typically start out knowing anything about horses. This limited experience (they are taught to ride little else) means that there's a limit on what they can handle as a ride.
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Post by horseguy on May 26, 2016 14:07:08 GMT
Draft breeds are often selected for their size in combination with calm, tractable temperaments. Police officers don't typically start out knowing anything about horses. This limited experience (they are taught to ride little else) means that there's a limit on what they can handle as a ride. This comment reminded me of Wofford's question about eventing. Are we designing a sport for humans or horses? Are they selecting horses for the job or for the humans?It's as if no one trains riders anymore. History would require light cavalry types.
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Post by rideanotherday on May 26, 2016 14:16:27 GMT
Draft breeds are often selected for their size in combination with calm, tractable temperaments. Police officers don't typically start out knowing anything about horses. This limited experience (they are taught to ride little else) means that there's a limit on what they can handle as a ride. This comment reminded me of Wofford's question about eventing. Are we designing a sport for humans or horses? Are they selecting horses for the job or for the humans?It's as if no one trains riders anymore. History would require light cavalry types. <shrug> These are police...who happen to use horses. They train riders...not horsemen. Hey, it's at least a step up from being a passenger.
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Post by horseguy on May 26, 2016 16:23:24 GMT
Eventers are not trained, so the jumps have to change. Mounted Police aren't trained, so the horses have to match their lack of ability not the work, except in Anaheim maybe. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police still trains the heck out of their riders. If you ever get the chance to see the RCMP Musical Ride, see it. Best drill team I have ever seen.
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