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Post by horseguy on Apr 15, 2016 14:04:26 GMT
The first step is to approach the horse in a manner that is unthreatening. We all could expand on what unthreatening means. Elements of this I am careful to observe are to not walk up to a horse eye to eye, and to stop moving toward a horse that reacts to my approach by assuming a defensive posture. I usually approach a horse from the side on a line toward the wither. Once by the horse's side I slowly reach out my hand and touch the shoulder in as gentle a way as I can, expecting a "skin shake" like they make when a fly lands on a spot of their skin. I remove my hand at the shake and pause, and touch again until the horse accepts my touch. Then I will stroke the horse with my hand along the back, hind, neck, legs and head more or less in that order. During this meeting I will observe the horse's breathing, tightness of their skin and posture.
When I feel the horse has accepted me into their space I will try to move the horse. I usually place my hand on the horses nose below the eyes and gently slide it down to the nose where I will gently squeeze the nose and push the horse backward. This is a test of trust and responsiveness. Many horses will flip my hand off their nose in response to this cue. If they do I begin again touching them and being calm and unthreatening. This process can take many directions from here, but let's say the horse backs up a step as I direct them backward.
At this point I will groom the horse and saddle up as we get to know one another. I will lead the horse to a mounting block where I can stand above the horse. Observing the reaction to my body being above him/her is useful. If the horse moves away from the mounting block, I will circle the horse around the block as many times as it takes to have the horse stand still (often they will eventually stand at the mounting block out of boredom from so many circles. I will place my foot in the stirrup, one hand on the wither the other on the cantel and stand in the stirrup for a moment. If the horse feels calm and safe, I throw my leg over and sit.
In the sitting we join the horse. Not enough focus is placed on how we initially sit in mounting. The moment of sitting is critical. Ask any horse trainer who has worked with a lot of buckers. How you first sit sets a tone. In that first sitting I relax my body and breath. I feel my heart beat. If it is fast, and be sure the horse feels it too, I will sit motionless until it slows.
We must be as conscious of ourselves as we are of the horse because the horse is far more sensitive to our physical being than we are. If we are fearful, he/she will read it immediately. If we are tense that will be clear to the horse. We must be patient with ourselves and wait until we move into a calm state that the horse can accept or hopeful enjoy. Many riders are unaware that their mere presence creates problems in their relationship with a horse. Unity begins with us.
Once the horse ands I get to a shared relaxed place in mounting I like to move off from the mounting block to a more open area. This might be within a round pen or arena, but not always. When we get to a open area, I like to initiate a "game" (Jimmy will tease me about Parelli here) of "I move you, you move me". This is a very simple responsive series of physical movements. It can begin with me touching the horse with my legs and then stopping to see what movement a single leg touch will create in the horse. That can range from nothing to a gallop. Whatever the movement response, I remain open to it to see how long it lasts for up to a minute (less if it is extreme like a series of bucks or a gallop). During this movement, I will let the horse move my body in sync with his/her movement by being soft and centered. Typically, the horse will end it. Then the fun part starts. I just sit still softly and centered. In time the horse will move, if just to rebalance in their standing position. In that movement, I let the horse move me. I horse might see a blade of green grass and walk to it. I don't care. I want the horse to initiate movement that I can allow and be moved by.
The process continues back and forth where I move the horse, followed by the horse moves me. Eventually it becomes clear that the process I am allowing and fostering is mutual movement. This process is one of "explaining" to the horse that mutual movement is what I am after. It is the baseline of our relationship. Once established as the baseline, which is unity, we move onto more and more complicated and shared mutual movements.
I discovered this process when training polo horses. I found that in that game, which is a lot like hockey, when you get "bumped" (body checked) by another horse and rider, you must be in a state of unity, or mutual acceptance of the hit. In time, a horse and ride can actually "use" the hit from another horse and rider to move them to the ball. In other words, if the ball is on our left and the opponent on our right I will position us in preparation for the opponent "bump" to the right at a distance where the bump will move us to the ball. This is incorporating an outside force into our unity. (Argie pros will see you doing this and not bump you, while most Americans will accommodate and deliver the hit)
Horses love unity. We must offer it to them from the first touch. It can lead to exciting and intense shared joy on wonderful levels. It is primarily physical but with development it becomes somewhat intellectual and emotional to the extent an din the way horses experience these things.
note: I have resisted books and videos because people like Parelli have abused them to a point of uselessness, I think. But maybe this might make a good short video.
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Post by rideanotherday on Apr 18, 2016 11:28:32 GMT
note: I have resisted books and videos because people like Parelli have abused them to a point of uselessness, I think. But maybe this might make a good short video. People use books and videos to learn - if you have something to offer, why on earth would you let Parelli et al hold you back? If you aren't abusing it....why should what they did affect you? Do it better!
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Post by horseguy on Apr 18, 2016 15:45:46 GMT
The resistance I have, which is admittedly irrational, comes from watching the local instructor and horse trainer over the years being "replaced" by DVDs. I am very committed to the idea of direct teaching. It is how I learned, and while I can see that the videos can be helpful, I have met a number of riders or people who have trained their horse completely from these things. I once drove a long way to see a "dressage horse" that was for sale. The owner had all the right jargon and convinced me that it would be worth the trip to see her horse. When I got there and rode the horse I had the most unusual experience. It was as if the horse was trained in front and it was completely untrained in the hind. It is difficult to describe, but the front felt like an 8 year old and the hind felt like a 2 year old, if that makes sense. The difference was that dramatic.
I asked her what her trainer or instructor though of the horse. She said she didn't have one, and that she had down all the work with the horse herself from DVDs. She told be she had competed and did "so, so". As tactfully as I could, I explained the state of her horse to her.
I just think the horse world would be a lot better off it people spent their money on professionals and not mass marketers. Therefore, I don't want to become a mas marketer. Still I can see that some of what I could offer might be a contribution to the horse community.
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Post by rideanotherday on Apr 18, 2016 16:58:07 GMT
The resistance I have, which is admittedly irrational, comes from watching the local instructor and horse trainer over the years being "replaced" by DVDs. I am very committed to the idea of direct teaching. It is how I learned, and while I can see that the videos can be helpful, I have met a number of riders or people who have trained their horse completely from these things. I once drove a long way to see a "dressage horse" that was for sale. The owner had all the right jargon and convinced me that it would be worth the trip to see her horse. When I got there and rode the horse I had the most unusual experience. It was as if the horse was trained in front and it was completely untrained in the hind. It is difficult to describe, but the front felt like an 8 year old and the hind felt like a 2 year old, if that makes sense. The difference was that dramatic. I asked her what her trainer or instructor though of the horse. She said she didn't have one, and that she had down all the work with the horse herself from DVDs. She told be she had competed and did "so, so". As tactfully as I could, I explained the state of her horse to her. I just think the horse world would be a lot better off it people spent their money on professionals and not mass marketers. Therefore, I don't want to become a mas marketer. Still I can see that some of what I could offer might be a contribution to the horse community. So, put things like this in your book. Bring it up in your videos. People won't know until they get told. You are very correct - there is no replacement for in person training. But it's well worth it to educate, no matter how you get the message out. There HAS been a great loss of knowledge as the torch has been passed. How do we regain some of that? Xenophon is not going to get on Twitter, Facebook, Youtube etc. Some people will like the message, some will only like parts of it, some will hate it. That's the way it goes.
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Post by jimmy on Apr 21, 2016 14:16:09 GMT
Horseguy, a good video to watch, if you want to watch any, is Ray Hunts Colt Starting dvd. It was his first formal attempt to do a professional grade video, which, like you, he resisted for many years. "Just come to a clinic" he would say. There is a about five hours of staring a handful of horses. You get a feel of what his clinics were like. I know the fellow who wrote and sang the song for the title sequence. And, it was filmed just around the corner from me.
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Post by horseguy on Apr 21, 2016 14:36:25 GMT
I am not sure riders won't be able to find Xenophon online - Xenophon on facenbook (holding up sign saying "Sense of Humor" )
Yes, "Just come to a clinic". I have been saying that for a long time. I was at a party a while back and a young person was taking a picture of a beer he was drinking and texting it. I asked him what he was doing and it turned out he was sending the picture to someone across the room. I don't get the world as it is now. Why didn't he just walk across the room and show the person the beer? People would rather watch a video than see someone work a horse in person and be able to ask questions. I just don't get it. I will look for the Ray Hunt video.
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Post by rideanotherday on Apr 21, 2016 16:33:16 GMT
I'd love to be in person and ask questions. My wallet says no.
Sad, but I think that's where a lot of folks are.
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Post by horseguy on Apr 21, 2016 19:17:33 GMT
I'd love to be in person and ask questions. My wallet says no. Sad, but I think that's where a lot of folks are. Times have changed. I have traded eggs, goat cheese and other good stuff for riding lessons & training.
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Post by grayhorse on Apr 22, 2016 2:28:53 GMT
HG, if you ever wrote a book I'd buy it. Just sayin. I have purchased two dvd's in my "horse career" (was about 10 years ago now that I think about it)...both by a local cutting horse trainer. They had titles that peaked my interest right away. How to teach your horse to rollback and spin...and the other was on flying changes. I was desperate for knowledge at that point in my life and I hadn't really discovered the importance of individual riding lessons yet. The video's were good in that they helped me all those years ago, although I think I would look at them now with a more critical eye. Thinking back,I'd say the video's show a more mechanical method to training. Anyhow... On your advice, I've done the lunge line lesson with my arms straight out over poles. I'm happy to say it was a successful lesson and I found it easy. However, I have not yet gone over a substantial jump on the lunge. Will work up to it. Oh, here's a tidbit for you, the last jump lesson I had and mind you I use the automatic release in all my lessons now (or following hands) when I jump. My new trainer started getting all excited and exclaims "Carrie you just executed perfect jumping form, George Morris would be so proud".... heh heh...gave me a good chuckle to hear that!!!
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Post by horseguy on Apr 22, 2016 3:52:35 GMT
I have such conflicted feeling about Morris. He was trained by Gordon Wright a Fort Riley instructor similar to my instruction as a kid. He won so many international competitions thanks to Wright, and then he came up with "Hunter Seat Equitation", which ruined American riding. He was the first big name trainer.
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Post by rideanotherday on Apr 22, 2016 10:35:46 GMT
I have enjoyed bartering for training. When I lived in Wisconsin, I traded photography for riding many times. I haven't got the connections here in Maryland yet.
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Post by horseguy on Apr 22, 2016 12:23:09 GMT
You will. Spring is here. You are getting out and around like with the bit clinic.
I am moving my horses again. This will be the third place in 10 months. The first place turned out to be run my a truly bat s**t crazy horse woman. The second was not up to standard. The footing in the arena is hard as concrete, the driveway was not plowed after snow storms, etc. I think the guy retired in his mind but still took in boarders. In the process of looking I met some people. Several barns were run by "kids" younger than my kids. That made me nervous. Met one Arabian barn owner. I was trying to be open minded but there is something very unique about Arabian people. You gotta kiss some frogs...
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Post by rideanotherday on Apr 22, 2016 22:12:12 GMT
You will. Spring is here. You are getting out and around like with the bit clinic. I am moving my horses again. This will be the third place in 10 months. The first place turned out to be run my a truly bat s**t crazy horse woman. The second was not up to standard. The footing in the arena is hard as concrete, the driveway was not plowed after snow storms, etc. I think the guy retired in his mind but still took in boarders. In the process of looking I met some people. Several barns were run by "kids" younger than my kids. That made me nervous. Met one Arabian barn owner. I was trying to be open minded but there is something very unique about Arabian people. You gotta kiss some frogs... Rideforever was in the bit clinic. But I will check out some clinics near here to see about meeting and greeting. I've joind some local Facebook groups as well. Thanks
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