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Post by rideanotherday on May 21, 2016 11:04:06 GMT
That's how you get your head kicked in. Connection? That guy is lucky the horse didn't make a connection.
Im not impressed.
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Post by horseguy on May 21, 2016 13:07:22 GMT
That's how you get your head kicked in. Connection? That guy is lucky the horse didn't make a connection. Im not impressed.
There are four people in this photo = $1,000 per day.
When is the last time you saw that many horses laying down like that so close? Drugged horses? No... it's The Trust Technique!
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Post by rideanotherday on May 21, 2016 14:13:45 GMT
Training works. To the uneducated this seems like a good idea. Then something spooks the horses and they all get up and run away because they are horses who are scared of 2 things. Things that move and things that don't.
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Post by horseguy on May 21, 2016 14:59:36 GMT
(I think I needed to hold up my sign in my last post.)
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Post by rideanotherday on May 21, 2016 16:39:10 GMT
(I think I needed to hold up my sign in my last post.) Best to use the sign when sarcasm is in use, rather than after the fact?
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Post by jacki on May 21, 2016 20:58:58 GMT
Does anyone remember "Timothy Treadwell" (not the name he was given at birth, but that's how he's remembered)? He was a self-proclaimed expert on grizzly bears in Alaska. Despite warnings and laws to the contrary, he camped among them for long periods of time, until they tore him (and his girlfriend) to shreds!
I don't have a problem with people playing with their horses in their "down time" -- Harry De Leyer used to take the great jumper Snowman swimming with his kids -- but not making it an end in itself. Also, I think it's appropriate to establish a working relationship with a horse where you are "the boss" prior to "playing" with that horse for safety reasons.
I can't see it from this screen, but I think it was Jimmy who was talking about a horse earning a special place after surviving a dangerous situation. Not to anthropomorphize horses, but I think that feeling might go both ways. In my years of observing hundreds of lessons, I have noticed that a lesson horse will carry itself differently with different riders astride it. Also I have witnessed real "unity" with horse and rider, but only after the rider has ridden that particular horse a lot and has developed a "feel" for that horse. To my admittedly untrained eye, it seems to me that a rider must "earn" a horse's trust (especially mares I think!) in order to achieve that level of unity -- where the horse trusts the rider and the rider trusts the horse. You'd have to ask the horse to know for sure how a rider earns that trust, but I believe it evolves over time and involves things like clear cues, a certain "presence" (nonverbal communication) and, from the horse's perspective, surviving challenging situations. I welcome comments/rebuttals -- I love to learn.
I found Jim Wofford's comments about "over-collection" very informative, as well as everyone's comments afterward - makes sense! (Keep posting!)
Jacki
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Post by horseguy on May 21, 2016 21:55:55 GMT
Does anyone remember "Timothy Treadwell" (not the name he was given at birth, but that's how he's remembered)? He was a self-proclaimed expert on grizzly bears in Alaska. Despite warnings and laws to the contrary, he camped among them for long periods of time, until they tore him (and his girlfriend) to shreds!
... it seems to me that a rider must "earn" a horse's trust (especially mares I think!) in order to achieve that level of unity -- where the horse trusts the rider and the rider trusts the horse. You'd have to ask the horse to know for sure how a rider earns that trust, but I believe it evolves over time and involves things like clear cues, a certain "presence" (nonverbal communication) and, from the horse's perspective, surviving challenging situations. I welcome comments/rebuttals -- I love to learn.
Jacki
Yes, I remember the guy who was killed "playing" with grizzly bears. It's sad that he found another human who believed his stupid ideas. I agree, a rider or a human must earn the horse's trust. My personal sense, developed over years, is they size a person up pretty quickly and at a distance too. Then when you get close, I think that can literally smell where you are at. Once you mount, they can feel you heart beat and respiration. It's a very physical process, visual takes on human posture, smells, tactile observations. When you mount and ride they use your seat, hands and legs, along with your stability, or how you stay inside their motion or not, to decide how they will respond. You don't get a chance to make a first impression with a lot of them.
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Post by horseguy on May 29, 2016 16:11:03 GMT
These people are learning a false sense of security.
This bicycle rider who stopped to pet the sweet horses is learning reality the hard way.
Lucky he still has all his fingers. This
one
is
even
better...
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Post by horseguy on Jun 6, 2016 15:19:05 GMT
These brief gif videos are so graphic and the second one so funny, I can' believe they have not received any comments.
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Post by rideanotherday on Jun 6, 2016 18:07:20 GMT
These brief gif videos are so graphic and the second one so funny, I can' believe they have not received any comments. I've been a big fan of the horse biting the biker for a long time. And the lady got exactly what she was asking for.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 7, 2016 13:55:23 GMT
Biker video. Sort of turn the predator/prey theory on it's head.
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Post by rideanotherday on Jun 7, 2016 14:05:04 GMT
Biker video. Sort of turn the predator/prey theory on it's head. Not really....even prey animals will fight to defend.
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Post by horseguy on Jun 7, 2016 15:13:04 GMT
Biker video. Sort of turn the predator/prey theory on it's head. Not really....even prey animals will fight to defend. The horses are walking up the hill in a line at least 10 feet away from the biker, who is reaching out to them while standing still. The biting horse leaves the line, goes the 10 foot distance over to the biker, lunges his head forward and bites him. The horse is not defending his "personal space". Maybe he is defending the herd, but it looks like he's gone out of his way to bite that guy.
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Post by horseguy on Jun 19, 2016 1:37:59 GMT
I suspect that cavalrymen knew enough not to form a line and trot across frozen water in that formation. A lot of knowledge has been lost.
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Post by rideanotherday on Jun 20, 2016 11:23:01 GMT
I suspect that cavalrymen knew enough not to form a line and trot across frozen water in that formation. A lot of knowledge has been lost. People do lots of stupid stuff, even if they know better. Being calvarymen does not save them from that.
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